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Ear Training: Hear What's Playing · Lesson 5 of 12 · 12 min

Fourths, fifths and octaves: the open sounds

Count and recognise the perfect fourth (5), perfect fifth (7) and octave (12), tell a fourth from a fifth with two well-known tunes, and see why a fourth up and a fifth down land on the same note.

Watch: The open sound of fifths and fourths

THE SOLID ONES

Three distances that sound like stone

Thirds have a colour, bright or dark. The fourth, the fifth and the octave don't. Played together, their two notes blend so well that most people hear them as open, hollow and stable, as if there were one fuller note rather than two. They are the frame much of music is built on, and once you know them, you'll hear them everywhere.

Sing "Twinkle Twinkle" or "Here Comes the Bride" in your head. The very first leap in each is one of these three.

IntervalHalf stepsFrom CLetters
Perfect fourth5C to FC D E F (4)
Perfect fifth7C to GC D E F G (5)
Octave12C4 to C5C to the next C (8)

Check yourself

"Here Comes the Bride" starts on G and leaps up to the C above it on "comes". Hamid counts the half steps. What does he get?

  1. 4, a major third
  2. 7, a perfect fifth
  3. 5, a perfect fourth
  4. 6, because G to C skips over six keys
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5, a perfect fourth

Right. G♯, A, A♯, B, C: five moves. And G A B C is four letters, so it's a fourth.

Your two reference tunes

Fifth up · 7

"Twinkle Twinkle": C C G G. The tune starts on its home note and leaps up to G on the second "twin-kle". Many people hear a fifth up as opening out, a wide, confident leap away from home.

Fourth up · 5

"Here Comes the Bride": G C C C. The tune starts below home and leaps up onto it. Many people hear a fourth up as arriving: the top note feels like where you were heading.

SAME NOTE, HIGHER

The octave: 12 half steps

Go up 12 half steps from C and you reach the next C. It has the same letter because it sounds like the same note, only higher. Played together, C4 and C5 blend so closely that most people hear one rich note. That's the octave's sound: the same, lifted.

When a man and a woman sing the same tune together, they are often an octave apart without thinking about it. It still sounds like one melody.

Check yourself

Reza plays C4 and C5 at the same time, and his sister says it sounds almost like a single note. That's what most people hear in an octave.

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True

True. The two notes of an octave share the same letter and blend so closely that they often sound like one fuller note. That's why an octave is the easiest interval to mistake for no interval at all.

HOLLOW, NOT HAPPY OR SAD

Why a fifth sounds so bare

Play C and G together. There's no E or E♭, so there's no third, and the sound is neither bright nor dark. Most people call it open, hollow or strong. Rock guitarists use exactly this, root plus fifth, and call it a power chord. The fourth, C with F, sounds just as open and hollow, but many listeners hear it as a little less settled than the fifth.

Add E to C and G and the sound turns bright. Add E♭ instead and it turns darker. The fifth alone stays neutral.

Check yourself

Count up from the first note. Fourth, fifth or octave?

  • C up to G
  • G up to C
  • A up to the next A
  • D up to A
  • C up to F
  • E4 up to E5
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Fourth · 5: G up to C, C up to F

Fifth · 7: C up to G, D up to A

Octave · 12: A up to the next A, E4 up to E5

FLIP IT OVER

A fourth up, a fifth down: same note

From C, go up to F: 5 half steps, a fourth. Now from the same C, go down to the F below: 7 half steps, a fifth. Same letter, two distances, and they add up to 12, one octave. Turning an interval upside down like this is called inversion. A fourth flips into a fifth, a fifth into a fourth.

It works the other way too. C up to G is 7, a fifth. C down to the G below is 5, a fourth.

Up from C4 to F4:
C♯ D D♯ E F
1  2  3  4  5          -> 5, perfect fourth

Down from C4 to F3:
B  B♭ A  A♭ G  G♭ F
1  2  3  4  5  6  7    -> 7, perfect fifth

Output

5 + 7 = 12. Up and down together make one octave, F3 to F4.

Any time you know one side, subtract it from 12 to get the other.

Check yourself

A song asks Sam to sing C and then the F above it, but that F is too high for his voice. He sings the F below the C instead. What interval is he singing now?

  1. Still a perfect fourth, because it's still C and F
  2. An octave, because he moved the F by an octave
  3. A perfect fifth down, 7 half steps
  4. A major third down, 4 half steps
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A perfect fifth down, 7 half steps

Yes. C down to F is 7 half steps, a fifth. The fourth up flipped into a fifth down, and 5 + 7 = 12.

Check yourself

Match each sound to its interval

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  • "Here Comes the Bride": G up to C → Perfect fourth · 5
  • "Twinkle Twinkle": C up to G → Perfect fifth · 7
  • C4 and C5, like one richer note → Octave · 12
  • C down to the F below → A fourth up, flipped

Lesson recap

  • Perfect fourth = 5 (C to F), perfect fifth = 7 (C to G), octave = 12 (C4 to C5).
  • Played together they sound open, hollow and stable; with no third, they are neither bright nor dark.
  • Reference tunes: "Twinkle Twinkle" leaps up a fifth, "Here Comes the Bride" leaps up a fourth.
  • An octave sounds like the same note, higher.
  • Flip an interval and the two sizes add up to 12: a fourth up reaches the same note as a fifth down.

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All lessons in this course

  1. Higher and lower
  2. Steps and leaps: the shape of a melody
  3. The home note
  4. Small intervals: half steps, whole steps and thirds
  5. Fourths, fifths and octaves: the open sounds
  6. Wide intervals and the tritone
  7. Major or minor? Hear the middle note
  8. Diminished and augmented: the restless chords
  9. Seventh chords: add a fourth note
  10. Rhythm by ear: count what you hear
  11. Following the chords under a song
  12. Your daily ear practice